Template:Did you know nominations/Barbara Stanwyck on stage, screen, radio and television

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:12, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Barbara Stanwyck on stage, screen, radio and television

Barbara Stanwyck (1950)
Barbara Stanwyck (1950)
Barbara Stanwyck in Ball of Fire (1941)
Barbara Stanwyck in Ball of Fire (1941)
  • ... that actress Barbara Stanwyck (pictured) had been a teenage chorus girl in Texas Guinan's speakeasy nightclub? (source 1) "In Texas Guinan’s nightclubs, fifteen-year-old Ruby would shake for the sugar daddies and get bank notes stuffed in her scanties." (Stanwyck's birth name was Ruby Catherine Stevens) - Callahan p. 8 ; (source 2) customers were there to check out new talent, "like George Raft, fifteen year old Ruby Keeler, and singer Ruby Stevens, who later became famous as Barbara Stanwyck. - Corcoran, Michael (May 1988). "Texas Guinan". Texas Monthly. Emmis Communications: 112.
  • Reviewed: Grace Kodindo
  • Comment: There are many images and possible hooks in this article. I'm open to suggestions. — Maile (talk) 15:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

5x expanded by Maile66 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg 5× expansion of 2 November 2020‎ version completed from 566 characters to 3,771 and nominated on the same day. No copyvios detected and duplication detector check of main online sources[1][2][3][4][5][6] reveal no close paraphrasing issues (AGF some of the PDF refs which can't go through Dup detector). Article is well-sourced. Hook is 110 characters long (under 200 character max.) and is interesting. Ref 5 (verifying the hook) is a reliable source from Google Books. QPQ done. Image is free and in public domain. Looks good to go! —Bloom6132 (talk) 11:14, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Template:U, if you're asking for opinions, I don't think this hook says much of anything, especially for an image slot. At least tell the younger generation who she is. If you're talking about her hard childhood, the Ziegfeld girl image would work better. Four Oscar nominations and no wins would make a better hook, or maybe there's more you could add to the article to develop something hookier? The Stella Dallas and Ball of Fire images are also better than this one IMO. Yoninah (talk) 22:10, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg There's also the same problem with piping the link to the target article; right now it links to her bio. Yoninah (talk) 22:30, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Template:U it's linked to the target article. But maybe you are talking about it should be linked somewhere else in the sentence. Anyway, let's see if someone else comes up with a better hook. I'm open to that. Feel free to suggest. Now ... I'm the person who totally upgraded the Texas Guinan article a couple of years ago. This woman was a hoot - if it was illegal, she was into it, and flaunting it in the face of the authorities. The idea that a teenage Stanwyck was scantily dressed and dancing in that environment was fascinating to me. But maybe we need to see if someone else can come up with a hook here. — Maile (talk) 22:44, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Barbara Stanwyck as a Ziegfeld girl, c. 1924
Barbara Stanwyck as a Ziegfeld girl, c. 1924
  • Template:U you hardly have anything to work with in the article to come up with a better hook. I'm not sure how I could help fashion a hook with this scant information. Your present hook also gives no indication that she was scantily dressed. Here is the Ziegfeld girl image. Yoninah (talk) 23:02, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Template:U You're telling me this at the end of a day when I've tired myself out on another tedious task. Not my freshest hour of brain power here. I will say that I think the Ball of Fire image is the best image of her on Commons. I just couldn't come up with a hook for it. — Maile (talk) 23:05, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Template:U sorry about that. We can talk again later. I'll be back Saturday night. Yoninah (talk) 23:07, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
  • An idea for a Ball of Fire hook:
Barbara Stanwyck in Ball of Fire (1941)
Barbara Stanwyck in Ball of Fire (1941)
  • Template:U, I would add "prolific actress" or something else to indicate that she was hard-working to the hook and article. Yoninah (talk) 19:48, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
ALT 4 is fine with me. — Maile (talk) 00:40, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg ALT4 is 186 characters long (under 200 character max.) and is interesting. Ref 12 (verifying the hook) is a reliable source (AGF since no preview is available). New image is free and in public domain. Good to go! —Bloom6132 (talk) 01:15, 15 November 2020 (UTC)