Template:Did you know nominations/Aeroflot Flight 6709

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 16:05, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Aeroflot Flight 6709

  • ... that all three engines on Aeroflot Flight 6709 stopped after the flight engineer accidentally turned off the fuel pump? Source: "...flight engineer accidentally disconnected the automatic transferring of fuel" 1
    • ALT1:... that all three engines on Aeroflot Flight 6709 stopped after a pilot accidentally turned off the fuel pump? Source: "...flight engineer accidentally disconnected the automatic transferring of fuel" 1

Created by AviationFreak (talk). Self-nominated at 12:41, 21 September 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article is new and long enough, and there are no obvious copyvios, and the hook is cited as given. However, I'm not convinced that any of the sources in the article are reliable. I'm not going to nominate it for deletion as I haven't checked other sources, but I can't see how this is a genuinely notable event. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:36, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
This is a common thing with articles about aviation incidents in the USSR (See Category:Aviation accidents and incidents in the Soviet Union). Due to censorship, there are generally very few sources mentioning a given aviation incident. The guideline at the Soviet Aviation Task Force (which I'm aware is not an official WP:SNG) describes this. I didn't see this mentioned in DYK Rule 4, but if the article isn't eligible for DYK due to this I understand. AviationFreak💬 19:07, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Maybe a second opinion on if the sources are reliable is needed. SL93 (talk) 00:07, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

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  • Template:Yo Thank you for this outstanding and in-depth review. I have made the suggested changes to the article. My suggestions for hooks would be
ALT2 ... that as a result of poor aircraft design, all three engines on Aeroflot Flight 6709 stopped simultaneously?
ALT3 ... that all three engines on Aeroflot Flight 6709 stopped at the same time, resulting in a deadly crash?
I've added info supporting these claims to the article with citations. Interestingly, the Russian article states that the FE was arrested and that the shutoff was part of a training exercise, but I can't find any source for that. As far as the fatalities, I agree that this was a tragic event that didn't need to happen. The Russian source has more information about the fatalities, but it's pretty gruesome and I won't go into it here. AviationFreak💬 20:33, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg for ALTs 2 and 3. Good to go. Thank you for your reply and your article updates, AviationFreak. I think that it is now safe for the article to go forward even though it only has one reliable source. It is a good source, it's all we can get at the moment, better sources may come along one day, and you have used it with discretion. The article contains no accusations against the crew, which is good, considering that they or their close relatives may still be alive, their landing skills did actually save 120 lives, and they must have been absolutely terrified. You might like to look again at "Some of these attempts worked, but they did not supply enough power." The word, "they" is ambiguous; it could mean the attempts or it could mean the crew. I'm guessing you mean the attempts; if so I suggest that you remove the word, "they", and that will clarify things. We need articles like this, and I look forward to seeing more of them. Storye book (talk) 11:17, 19 October 2020 (UTC)