Template:Did you know nominations/30 January 1939 Reichstag speech

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 05:26, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Hitler's prophecy

Audience gives Nazi salute during the speech
Audience gives Nazi salute during the speech

Created by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 06:06, 14 May 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg New and long enough. QPQ has been done. Article as a whole is well-written and neutrally-worded. Hook is "interesting" (quote marks to avoid sounding callous!) and cited. AGF on the offline sources. Cheers Kingoflettuce (talk) 10:50, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
The image looks good too, but I'm fine with or without Kingoflettuce (talk) 10:51, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Template:Ping Hi, I came by to promote this, and have one question. Is "Hitler's prophecy" a common name, or is this a label you're giving it? It would seem more accurate to title it according to the date of the speech. Yoninah (talk) 12:21, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Template:Ping, Yes, all you have to do is search the article for "prophecy" to find examples of "Hitler's prophecy" or "Hitler's "prophecy"" in quotes by various historians. The article is not about the entire speech, which was mostly about other issues, but a particular phrase of it that was frequently repeated and interpreted. buidhe 17:10, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Template:Ping OK, I guess. But why are you writing "threatened" in the hook instead of "predicted"? Yoninah (talk) 17:25, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Template:Ping Both words are used in sources (see #Genocide section for examples of "threat"), but I think threat works better in a hook. buidhe 17:28, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Template:Ping I disagree. You're calling it Hitler's prophecy and then calling it a threat? Any reader who clicks on this will see "predicted" first thing in the lead. I suggest you either make the hook fit the lead, or the lead fit the hook. Yoninah (talk) 17:38, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Either or both, depending on who you ask. Any reader with some tolerance of ambiguity should be able to understand that it could be both a conditional prediction (according to Hitler) and an actual threat (Hitler was already planning to cause the war)... buidhe 20:39, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svgTemplate:Ping we need to finish up here. Why don't you like ALT1? It says exactly what the first sentence in the lead says. Also, it echoes the title, Hitler's prophecy. Please let's reach an amicable and quick conclusion, as this nomination is approaching two months old. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 21:34, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Fine, you win. Go ahead and use the less interesting hook if you insist. (t · c) buidhe 22:24, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg Thanks, but do you really think a change in one word is going to reduce pageviews? Just seeing Hitler and "the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe" is going to bring on the clicks. Offline ALT1 hook ref AGF and cited inline. Restoring tick per Kingoflettuce's review. Yoninah (talk) 22:38, 11 July 2020 (UTC)